Comments on: Crazy Love – Francis Chan http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/2009/06/13/crazy-love-%e2%80%93-francis-chan/ Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:48:16 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Tony http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/2009/06/13/crazy-love-%e2%80%93-francis-chan/comment-page-1/#comment-1176 Tony Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:59:10 +0000 http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/?p=822#comment-1176 Page 68: Would you describe yourself as totally in love with Jesus Christ? Or do the words halfhearted, lukewarm, and partially committed fit better? Chan then goes on with his descriptions of lukewarm people and so he does not use the term lukewarm Christian. However, this introduction quoted above makes it clear he is talking to anyone that calls themselves a Christian - and challenging them to test their faith. I have no idea about this being a reformed position or not. I do think it is healthy to examine your faith and if you're lacking, ask for more because Jesus has promised more faith to those that ask. Page 68: Would you describe yourself as totally in love with Jesus Christ? Or do the words halfhearted, lukewarm, and partially committed fit better?

Chan then goes on with his descriptions of lukewarm people and so he does not use the term lukewarm Christian. However, this introduction quoted above makes it clear he is talking to anyone that calls themselves a Christian – and challenging them to test their faith.

I have no idea about this being a reformed position or not. I do think it is healthy to examine your faith and if you’re lacking, ask for more because Jesus has promised more faith to those that ask.

]]> By: Manny http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/2009/06/13/crazy-love-%e2%80%93-francis-chan/comment-page-1/#comment-1175 Manny Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:19:03 +0000 http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/?p=822#comment-1175 Once again I find another reformed blog quoting Francis Chan as talking about "lukewarm Christians" in Chapter 4 of Crazy Love. Nowhere in chpater 4 does he talk about lukewarm Chirstians". He uses the term lukewarm person when referring to those who have a form of godliness but deny the power therefof. All one needs to do is to listen to a sermon entitled "Luewarm and loving it" which was delivered on 10/2009 to understand the lukewarm persons that he is referring to. He also has an appropriate interpretation of lukewarm in Rev 3:16. As a reformed baptist minister I believe we should be fair with both the book and it's content. God bless. Once again I find another reformed blog quoting Francis Chan as talking about “lukewarm Christians” in Chapter 4 of Crazy Love. Nowhere in chpater 4 does he talk about lukewarm Chirstians”. He uses the term lukewarm person when referring to those who have a form of godliness but deny the power therefof. All one needs to do is to listen to a sermon entitled “Luewarm and loving it” which was delivered on 10/2009 to understand the lukewarm persons that he is referring to. He also has an appropriate interpretation of lukewarm in Rev 3:16. As a reformed baptist minister I believe we should be fair with both the book and it’s content. God bless.

]]> By: Tony http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/2009/06/13/crazy-love-%e2%80%93-francis-chan/comment-page-1/#comment-1174 Tony Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:22:00 +0000 http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/?p=822#comment-1174 Stephanie - My take exactly. It is unfortunate that the link above is to a post where the writer admits to not having read the book. Believing is more than an intellectual acknowledgment about Jesus. By grace we are saved through faith, not by works. Francis Chan is challenging us to test our faith - if we have no works - do we really believe? cf. James 2:14-26, 2 Pet 1:10. Grace and peace. Stephanie -

My take exactly. It is unfortunate that the link above is to a post where the writer admits to not having read the book.

Believing is more than an intellectual acknowledgment about Jesus. By grace we are saved through faith, not by works. Francis Chan is challenging us to test our faith – if we have no works – do we really believe? cf. James 2:14-26, 2 Pet 1:10.

Grace and peace.

]]> By: Stephanie http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/2009/06/13/crazy-love-%e2%80%93-francis-chan/comment-page-1/#comment-1173 Stephanie Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:56:55 +0000 http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/?p=822#comment-1173 Regarding the link you posted... Yes, salvation is a free gift, apart from works. I completely agree with this. HOWEVER, if you are truly saved-love the Lord with all of your heart-have a relationship with your Savior-and are truly accepting of this gift of salvation-shouldn't your works be there as evidence of your true salvation? If salvation doesn't change your actions, one must question if it is true salvation. I for one am thankful for the challenge that the Lord has given me through this book Crazy Love. I am reading it for the third time with yet a different group of friends. I love how the Lord is changing me through this book and a fresh look at His Word. It hurts...but in a good way. Praying that God will work in all who read this... Regarding the link you posted…

Yes, salvation is a free gift, apart from works. I completely agree with this. HOWEVER, if you are truly saved-love the Lord with all of your heart-have a relationship with your Savior-and are truly accepting of this gift of salvation-shouldn’t your works be there as evidence of your true salvation? If salvation doesn’t change your actions, one must question if it is true salvation.

I for one am thankful for the challenge that the Lord has given me through this book Crazy Love. I am reading it for the third time with yet a different group of friends. I love how the Lord is changing me through this book and a fresh look at His Word. It hurts…but in a good way.

Praying that God will work in all who read this…

]]> By: Donald http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/2009/06/13/crazy-love-%e2%80%93-francis-chan/comment-page-1/#comment-1167 Donald Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:21:31 +0000 http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/?p=822#comment-1167 I was kind of disappointed in the book. I thought that it (especially Chapter 5) was far too judgmental. For a discussion of the book you can click on: http://expreacherman.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/macarthur-type-new-apostacy/ I was kind of disappointed in the book. I thought that it (especially Chapter 5) was far too judgmental. For a discussion of the book you can click on: http://expreacherman.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/macarthur-type-new-apostacy/

]]> By: steve http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/2009/06/13/crazy-love-%e2%80%93-francis-chan/comment-page-1/#comment-1153 steve Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:12:56 +0000 http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/?p=822#comment-1153 I'm currently half way through this book. The challenges presented need to be confronted by every Christian. My only concern with what I've read so far is where Chan describes what constitutes a lukewarm (and therefore not genuine) Christian, and says we will not see them in heaven. Then he says we're all lukewarm to a degree. I think there's a danger for the reader to infer a works based faith where works lead to salvation, rather than a salvation that saves us to good works (Eph 2:10). It's a good book in that we all need to be challenged to leave our comfort zones. However, I'm not sure it's our place to look at other church goers and judge their eternal fate based on our perception of their current spiritual state. It seems to shove grace out of the picture. This book deserves more than one reading to absorb all that Chan says. I’m currently half way through this book. The challenges presented need to be confronted by every Christian. My only concern with what I’ve read so far is where Chan describes what constitutes a lukewarm (and therefore not genuine) Christian, and says we will not see them in heaven. Then he says we’re all lukewarm to a degree. I think there’s a danger for the reader to infer a works based faith where works lead to salvation, rather than a salvation that saves us to good works (Eph 2:10). It’s a good book in that we all need to be challenged to leave our comfort zones. However, I’m not sure it’s our place to look at other church goers and judge their eternal fate based on our perception of their current spiritual state. It seems to shove grace out of the picture. This book deserves more than one reading to absorb all that Chan says.

]]> By: mooney http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/2009/06/13/crazy-love-%e2%80%93-francis-chan/comment-page-1/#comment-1145 mooney Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:00:51 +0000 http://www.seekingabove.org/blog/?p=822#comment-1145 What a great breakdown of this amazing work. I recently read it as well, and wow, talk about wrecking your current world view. This is a must read. What a great breakdown of this amazing work. I recently read it as well, and wow, talk about wrecking your current world view. This is a must read.

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